Curse

Ristaron · Oct 12, 2005, 09:40 PM // 21:40

I know you can't really farm fame - it takes winning in Tombs/HoH. But for us people who don't have premade guild teams yet, and are sick and tired of posting "LFG" in Tombs dis 2 (because dis 1 is always full unless you get lucky or constantly attempt to switch districts), or don't PvP all that often, we don't have a lot of fame. Unless you're rank 2+ you're almost guaranteed to be given the upturned nose and ejected from the party. It's absolutely rediculous. I am a better healer than half the other jackass monks playing, I have a tremendous repertoire of skills and access to copious amounts of runes... but can I find a party? Of course not. Not unless it's some n00b IWAY team handing out invitations to any monk in the district without even bothering to check if they're a healer ...and totally oblivious to the fact that they need a Necro.

So I have an idea that may have been suggested a while ago.
Give fame to: Comp Arenas for 10 wins in a row, and Team Arenas for 5 wins in a row.
End this hellbent fame-farming in Tombs that is shutting out all players who don't have absurd amounts of fame and play Tombs with their guild teams over and over again. Some of us don't have 15 hours a day to waste.

And I realize that giving fame to arenas (not tournament) might decrease its value a little. But the amount of people who win 10 in a row in Comp/5 in a row in Teams (comp especially because all the players need to have coordination) is not that great (alright, Teams maybe that amount is low... maybe 10 in teams as well because you can your party).
And for Teams, it should be every ten in a row =P

Rank 2+ will encompass a much larger scope of (probably better) players after a while. This means more competition in Tombs and more glory for those who hold the HoH.

Navaros · Oct 12, 2005, 10:55 PM // 22:55

What you are suggesting would not decrease fame value a little bit.

Rather, it would render fame entirely worthless.

I sympathise with you not being able to get a good party because you have little fame. However, what you are suggesting would just make everything far, far worse.

Mr Wolfmaster · Oct 12, 2005, 11:03 PM // 23:03

I know what you mean, I'm the same way. But if it game out fame for team arenas and compition arena, the groups might just start bolstering that rank 2+ reqiurement to a rank 4+ because fame would be easier to get. I agree something does need to be done though.

Schorny · Oct 12, 2005, 11:13 PM // 23:13

My advice is: get some friends and play with them.

If you really want to farm fame, join an IWAY team. If you are lucky, you can win HoH every now and then. Within a week you'll be rank 3.

mortalis doleo · Oct 13, 2005, 12:28 AM // 00:28

if its rank 2+ they want, say you are rank 2.
i hate to say this, but sometimes this is the only way for a low-fame player to get into a group. it may be cheap, but i dont think good players should be ignored for having no fame.

Keyoke · Oct 13, 2005, 08:20 PM // 20:20

Yep but all groups want now r3+ cause u cant lie on your emote when they want seeing it.

D.E.V.i.A.N.C.E · Oct 13, 2005, 08:30 PM // 20:30

/agree

I maybe starting pvp soon and have 1 fame point due to a test build that worked once...

and about getting "friends" doent work so well; who has 8 friends readily available at diffrent time zones and you work a grave night shift.

well iv got a guild with grave night shift workers but thats not the point...

point is gaining fame is pointless to begin with; and so why not make it aviable to these people in comp areans and team arenas.

If it where up to me I would get rid of fame and rank, theres really no way to know how good/bad they really are.

chance · Oct 13, 2005, 08:41 PM // 20:41

It's not all that hard. Take the time, get in a pickup group. Figure out which are actually good. Add them to friendlist. Talk to them and see if they would like to get a Tombs group together with you. And don't be a jerk. If you're nice and play well, people will start sending you tells to "join their Tombs" team.

lynxxClan · Oct 13, 2005, 08:43 PM // 20:43

you just need patience, Whisper whoever is asking for a Player that you fit, if you want to play that build or not you gotta do it! When you get to rank 3 you can start to be picky with what you play because people want, like you said rank 3 + players. ID is probably the best place to get into groups because its filled with Guilds, but if you go there under rank 3 your gonna get laughed at, I saw this one noob in ID 1 "R2 LF Competent good R6+ Team to get me HoH" just about everyone in the district laughed at him in plain public view, it was comical but kinda sad.
Anyways work towards rank 3 and things will get better!

D.E.V.i.A.N.C.E · Oct 13, 2005, 08:46 PM // 20:46

ill be sure to kill off 299 more korean groups to gain rank 3 zZZzZzZ

Injektilo · Oct 13, 2005, 08:53 PM // 20:53

I'm not all that great at PvP at all and yet if I play in the competition arenas for a whole day I can usually get 5 or more 10+ win streaks, they're that common and easy to come by. I have six fame total, but if I wished to play more in Tombs then I could given my extensive friends list. If you feel that you are a good player then by playing random/team arenas you'll eventually pick up a fairly full friends list as people will appreciate what you bring to the group, it's then a fairly simple matter to piece together a team with friends and guildmates.

Linking Fame to the Team and Competition arenas would devalue it utterly in my opinion and I for one, whilst still being a bit meh on the idea of fame in general would prefer my glorious six fame to be given the respect it deserves

lanfear · Oct 13, 2005, 09:12 PM // 21:12

play with friends/ guild, it's not really about making fame anyway, it's about the fun you have doing it

Goonter · Oct 13, 2005, 09:20 PM // 21:20

Have HoH matches that match according to rank.

If your a rank 2 player then youd go to the rank 2 district and play agains other rank 2 players until you reach rank 3.
You could call the districts, "tournment leagues".
Perhaps - Junior league districts would be for ranks 0-2, Minor 3-5, Major 6-8, Vetrans 9, and Professional 10+
You would not be subject to have to play in those leagues, however...
- If your a lower rank, and will not gain rank any faster if you play above your level.
- If play ranks below you, you will not advance in rank at all, recieve highly demished faction rewards, and recieve no items after winning a tombs tournment.

Hopefully helping to keep unexperanced players together and growing into battles is an easier transition.

Though I do not care for the way the current system is set for UW and FoW, in the case of this idea, the highest ranking tournement would determain the winner for HoHs at the Temple of Ages.

Sister Rosette · Oct 13, 2005, 09:30 PM // 21:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goonter

Have HoH matches that match according to rank.

If your a rank 2 player then youd go to the rank 2 district and play agains other rank 2 players until you reach rank 3.
You could call the districts, "tournment leagues".
Perhaps - Junior league districts would be for ranks 0-2, Minor 3-5, Major 6-8, Vetrans 9, and Professional 10+
You would not be subject to have to play in those leagues, however...
- If your a lower rank, and will not gain rank any faster if you play above your level.
- If play ranks below you, you will not advance in rank at all, recieve highly demished faction rewards, and recieve no items after winning a tombs tournment.

Hopefully helping to keep unexperanced players together and growing into battles is an easier transition.

Though I do not care for the way the current system is set for UW and FoW, in the case of this idea, the highest ranking tournement would determain the winner for HoHs at the Temple of Ages.

Plausable idea, but with little faction, no fame, and no items what incentive
would Experienced (10+) players have to compete?

knives · Oct 13, 2005, 09:41 PM // 21:41

The point of fame is to show experience. Experience about the maps in tombs, and how to go about them. It also shows that you work well with others in a large coordinated group. Giving away fame in any other place than tombs (maybe GvG), would make it completely worthless. I was like you once, not a single bit of fame to my name. Then I just joined some random pugs and went at it until I laboriusly got to r3, and it was smooth sailing from there. It also helps if you get a nice pvp guild that will take you if they know your abilities even though you are not rank 3.

Goonter · Oct 13, 2005, 09:46 PM // 21:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sister Rosette

Plausable idea, but with little faction, no fame, and no items what incentive
would Experienced (10+) players have to compete?

How is an experienced 10+ player "competing" when in a league lower than his experience?

If you want to get goodies you need to play in a league at your competitive level. If you play below your level, you can just farm noobs for rewards.

In my example, rank 10+ players would play in the Professional leagues for rewards, or play in another league below them for nothing.

Sister Rosette · Oct 13, 2005, 09:49 PM // 21:49

Ah, I misred. My mistake.